CVT Issue When Cold

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CVT Issue When Cold

Post by pmassey31545 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:06 pm

So...here's the deal. When it gets cold outside (below 35-36 degrees) the dreaded 'Wrench' light comes on and the car will not shift until it warms up. On warmer days, we have zero issues. And when it warms it drives perfect for the rest of the day. Car has 123,000 miles on it.

I changed the CVT fluid at 109,000 and used Castrol Synthetic CVT fluid. I wonder if anyone knows if the Unicorn Tear CVT fluid Ford is a thinner viscosity than the Castrol and Maybe that's why I'm having the issue???

Thoughts?
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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by pennyjoe » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:31 pm

you need to get a a genuine ford filter

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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by pmassey31545 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:42 pm

pennyjoe wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:31 pm
you need to get a a genuine ford filter
I actually just saw a post that mentioned changing the HP filter. I'll try that next week.
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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by pmassey31545 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:52 pm

Well...finally got a chance to change the filter. Ran into a little problem. I can't get the bolts that house the filter loose. I've broken 4 T27 bits already. And stripped 1 bolt. I thought when I put them back after .y first change (about 20k miles ago), that didn't torque them too tight.

So....ideas??? I'm not convinced an extractor will work either. Yes I know. They look pretty darn bad.
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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by Stangyog » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:56 pm

Only real option I see is to drill a hole in the bolt and try an extractor. I'd start small and go bigger if you have to.

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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by Stangyog » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:59 pm

Stangyog wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:56 pm
Only real option I see is to drill a hole in the bolt and try an extractor. I'd start small and go bigger if you have to. Was having the same issue with mine the 1st winter I had it (2 years ago), changed both filters, and replaced the fluid and problem solved. I used the Ford CVT Fluid though.

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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by pmassey31545 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:33 am

Stangyog wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:56 pm
Only real option I see is to drill a hole in the bolt and try an extractor. I'd start small and go bigger if you have to.
Yeah. I may end up just drilling and tapping. And using a REAL bolt like the engineers should have.
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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by jas88 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:14 pm

You may be able to cut a slot in the head with a cutoff wheel and use a large flat-blade screwdriver on it. It's a long shot, but if it doesn't work, then you can use a cold chisel in the slot to knock the head off of it. You will find it easier to drill out the bolt if you get the filter off and out of the way first.
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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by Stangyog » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:14 pm

If you can get the head off, you may be able to grab the bolt with pliers after you get the filter housing off.

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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by pmassey31545 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:34 pm

Well. I bought a set of extractors. And short story...broke the first one and got it lodged in the holler I drilled. If anyone has ever used these hardened extractors before, they are almost impossible to drill.

Anyway...I drilled a ¼ inch hole in the head. Couldn't get an extractor in far enough to get a good bite. So I found a T35 bit. Hammered it in the hole and put a wrench on it and voila. 1 down.

The next one was even easier. I thought hey, I'll employ the same tactic. So I drilled another ¼ inch hole in the head and I guess I went too far cause the whole head came off.

So I pulled the housing off and put a pair of vice grips on the stud. It turned very easy. I turned it about a half a turn and the rest came out by hand.

I use 'normal people's bolts (hex heads) when I put it back together. So in short, I got it changed and going. Thanks for all the suggestions. Here's the pic of the bolts I screwed up.
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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by pmassey31545 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:36 pm

Here's the pic.
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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by Splicer » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:34 am

What bolts did you use to replace and where did you locate them?
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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by pmassey31545 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:53 am

Splicer wrote:
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What bolts did you use to replace and where did you locate them?
I believe they were M6 X 1. Got them at my local Ace hardware.
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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by Stangyog » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:36 pm

Glad you got it out. Be sure to use a little anti-seize.

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Re: CVT Issue When Cold

Post by Splicer » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:41 pm

pmassey31545 wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:53 am
Splicer wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:34 am
What bolts did you use to replace and where did you locate them?
I believe they were M6 X 1. Got them at my local Ace hardware.
Cool, thanks! 8)
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