2005 Freestyle 92K miles, check engine light on with codes P061B and P2106

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2005 Freestyle 92K miles, check engine light on with codes P061B and P2106

Postby ducksandtips » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:02 pm

Just bought a 2005 Freestyle and absolutely loving the rig. Looking forward to easy drives to trailheads and camping trips this summer.

Hoping for info here - it has 92k miles on it, 1 previous owner that seems to have taken great care of it. However the check engine light is on and not sure why. Wondering if there is a common issue that could be resolved before taking to a mechanic and being charged a fortune?

Glad I found this site. Looking forward to learning about our new favorite vehicle :)


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Re: 2005 Freestyle, 92k miles, check engine light on

Postby pmassey31545 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:50 am

ANY...and I mean any parts store will scan it for free.

Advance, Autozone, O'reilly's-heck, even NAPA maybe. They will tell you why the light is on in hopes that you will spend money at their store.
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Re: 2005 Freestyle, 92k miles, check engine light on

Postby RVAFreestyle » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:25 pm

Agreed, they will pull the codes but they CAN'T diagnosis it, even if they try don't believe them. Pull codes is step ONE of diagnostics.

Remeber even if a code is set for Bank 1 Heated Oxygen Sensor Low Range....it doesn't mean that bank 1 sensor is necessarily bad. Other things could be creating conditions that the PCM is interpreting as a low read OR something elae is causing a condition that the O2 sensor is actually detecting. An example is a non-firing injector will cause a lean mixture.
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Re: 2005 Freestyle, 92k miles, check engine light on

Postby pmassey31545 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:00 pm

RVAFreestyle wrote:Agreed, they will pull the codes but they CAN'T diagnosis it, even if they try don't believe them. Pull codes is step ONE of diagnostics.

Remeber even if a code is set for Bank 1 Heated Oxygen Sensor Low Range....it doesn't mean that bank 1 sensor is necessarily bad. Other things could be creating conditions that the PCM is interpreting as a low read OR something elae is causing a condition that the O2 sensor is actually detecting. An example is a non-firing injector will cause a lean mixture.

Agreed. But my guess is if he gets it scanned and then posts back with the code-we'll be able to come pretty close to determining what the issue is. Agree?
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Re: 2005 Freestyle, 92k miles, check engine light on

Postby RVAFreestyle » Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:56 pm

I rarely find that internet is an acceptable replacment for sound diagnostics, however there is merit to saying what it may be based on experiences
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Re: 2005 Freestyle, 92k miles, check engine light on

Postby pmassey31545 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:13 pm

RVAFreestyle wrote:I rarely find that internet is an acceptable replacment for sound diagnostics, however there is merit to saying what it may be based on experiences

Looks like he disappeared anyway so I guess the point is moot.
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Re: 2005 Freestyle, 92k miles, check engine light on

Postby ducksandtips » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:18 pm

Havent disappeared, sorry guess my notification setting needs to be adjusted. I will take it to a parts store today. However, a new issue has popped up so I'm thinking a parts store needs to be upgraded to a mechanic.

I had a "fail safe mode" message pop up this morning, and the check engine light was replaced by the wrench light.

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Re: 2005 Freestyle, 92k miles, check engine light on

Postby pmassey31545 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:19 pm

ducksandtips wrote:Havent disappeared, sorry guess my notification setting needs to be adjusted. I will take it to a parts store today. However, a new issue has popped up so I'm thinking a parts store needs to be upgraded to a mechanic.

I had a "fail safe mode" message pop up this morning, and the check engine light was replaced by the wrench light.

Again. I haven't had it yet. But maybe...http://repairpal.com/fail-safe-mode-529
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Re: 2005 Freestyle, 92k miles, check engine light on

Postby ducksandtips » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:37 pm

The throttle body is what seems to be the most talked about issue, as far as what I've read today. I'm going to just be safe and make an appt with my mechanic. I'm looking forward to learning more about this car, but until then, off to the shop it goes..

Thanks for the link. I'll update when I know more.

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Re: 2005 Freestyle, 92k miles, check engine light on

Postby RVAFreestyle » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:02 am

Good luck keep us posted
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Re: 2005 Freestyle, 92k miles, check engine light on

Postby ducksandtips » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:32 pm

Got the codes - P061B and P2106 - have you guys seen those codes before?

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Re: 2005 Freestyle, 92k miles, check engine light on

Postby ducksandtips » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:52 pm

I'm reading a lot of posts about the throttle body. Could cleaning it (or replacing if need be) possibly fix this failsafe mode issue?

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Re: 2005 Freestyle 92K miles, check engine light on with codes P061B and P2106

Postby gsally » Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:20 pm

P2106 is Throttle Actuator Control - Forced Limited Power
P061B is Internal Control Module Torque Calculation Performance, refers the reader to the pinpoint test for P2106

In alldatadiy, there's no reference for pinpoint test QE, but searching the interwebs I found something that might be applicable: http://ww2.justanswer.com/uploads/HE/he ... _p2110.pdf

Quickly scanning the document it might be an issue with the wheel speeds being off kilter. The pinpiont test should really be a flow chart, I ended-up at QE-12 for the Freestyle and the codes in the original post.

Good luck!

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Re: 2005 Freestyle 92K miles, check engine light on with codes P061B and P2106

Postby ducksandtips » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:53 pm

Thank you - finally have a day off tomorrow so will be diving into this a bit more.

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Re: 2005 Freestyle 92K miles, check engine light on with codes P061B and P2106

Postby pmassey31545 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:16 am

gsally wrote:Quickly scanning the document it might be an issue with the wheel speeds being off kilter. The pinpiont test should really be a flow chart, I ended-up at QE-12 for the Freestyle and the codes in the original post.

Good luck!

Looking at that chart I would check:
1) Tire size. Make sure all the tires are the SAME size...especially on AWD vehicles.
2) Wheel speed sensors. And if I'm not mistaken, any decent mechanic shop can scan those and tell you which one is bad. But you won't be able to get Autozone/Advance/O'reilly's to narrow it down that far. I had a van a while back and I had a bad speed sensor. ABS light was on. I knew one was bad but didn't want to change all 4. Took it to a shop and $35 later I knew it was the right front sensor. Replaced for $20 and on my way.
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