2006 freestyle with 87000 miles, WONT START

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2006 freestyle with 87000 miles, WONT START

Post by 1tracyd » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:42 pm

i have no clue why my car doesn't like to start lately. Since december i have replaced the battery, starter, and throttle body and two days ago i had it towed again because it wont start. the dealership is "thinking" fuel pump. could this be the problem?? i'm running out of money, options, and sanity!!! like i said low miles, in the last 5 years only 11000 miles have been put on it, HELP ME PLEASE, i truly love this car

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Re: 2006 freestyle with 87000 miles, WONT START

Post by MrBugatti » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:28 pm

Does the engine turn over or does nothing happen?
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Post by MrBugatti » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:35 pm

just as a side note if the engine does not turn over a real quick trick is put it in neutral and see if it starts you would be surprised how common this is if it does start it should be a pretty simple fix

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Re: 2006 freestyle with 87000 miles, WONT START

Post by 1tracyd » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:41 pm

It tries to turn over but just sputters back out and the more i try to start it i end up flooding the engine

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Post by Webmaster » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:31 am

Why are you desperately asking for help on the Internet when you have a dealership mechanic that looked at it and suggested a fix? Did they actually diagnose the fuel pump as bad? We need more details.

You need fuel, spark, and air for the vehicle to start. I'm guessing you don't have the skills to properly diagnose this??? Not meaning to offend but you are saying you are flooding the engine but how do you know that? If it's flooding then maybe you don't have spark.

Not a "fix" but hold the gas pedal all the way to the floor and crank it. That should clear the flooded condition and if the car sounds like it's starting to run when you do that, let go of the pedal and keep cranking. No matter what don't crank for more than about 15 seconds or you can overheat your starter. Let it cool down for a minute or so if you crank it that long.

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Re: 2006 freestyle with 87000 miles, WONT START

Post by 1tracyd » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:59 am

Im asking for opinions and help because in december when it all started i was told it could be the starter- changed it and the car ran for 2 days, then the dealership said throttle body so once again replaced that- that worked from the last weekend in dec til feb 6th and now im told fuel pump, its adding up VERY FAST and i want to know if the fuel pump could actually be the problem

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Re: 2006 freestyle with 87000 miles, WONT START

Post by 1tracyd » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:23 am

And i know it's flooding because ive had to have it towed 4 times since dec and everytime they told me i flooded it trying to start it

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Post by Webmaster » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:48 pm

I would say you need to find a better mechanic, first off. Is this a Ford dealership that you've been taking the car to?

How are you flooding it? Are you touching the gas pedal while you try to start it? Don't touch the gas pedal, it's not necessary.

Good luck.

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Post by 1tracyd » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:56 pm

Went to a dobbs first and got the starter, that lasted for 2 days so we went to a ford dealership who suggested throttle body and now same dealership says it could be fuel pump. It floods when i start it because when it sounds like its going to crap out i can give it a little tap on the gas and it will start- most of the time that happens

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Post by Webmaster » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:00 pm

Do you have any diagnostic codes? I have no idea what a dobbs is.

So did the throttle body actually fix the car's starting problems for a while? Did they actually diagnose the fuel pump as bad or are they guessing?

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Post by 1tracyd » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:06 pm

Dobbs is a tire and auto shop, after the throttle body was changed i was able to drive it for just over a month, dealership diagnostic said no fuel pressure

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Post by Webmaster » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:38 pm

It is strange that you have no fuel pressure yet are managing to flood the engine, that doesn’t totally make sense. I suspect the vehicle has had multiple issues and that’s par for the course on an oldish Ford. I’d say you either need to let the dealer replace the pump or get it to another shop for a second opinion. Having low or no fuel pressure can give starting problems.

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Re: 2006 freestyle with 87000 miles, WONT START

Post by RVAFreestyle » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:45 am

I suspect this is might misdiagnosis. Again I the first to NOT second guess a trained and certified professional technician who can lay hands on the car as I sit behind a keyboard.

This could be an issue(s) with the Passive Anti-Theft ("PATS") key. Immobilizer keys like PATS, work through the transponder in the key being programmed to the car. The PCM looks issues a "challenge" signal to the PATS system asking for the transponders serial number.

The antenna module receives the PATS serial number and forwards to the PCM. The PCM reviews the programmed data compared to the received data. If it does not match the start is inhibited.

Start inhibited does not prohibit cranking of the engine. However, it disallows activation of the ignition and fuel circuits. Therefore leaving a crank-no-start condition, with no fuel pressure or spark. I would make sure the following have been checked:

1. Any and all DTCs have been checked in all systems and diagnosised for commonalities.
2. Pressure test of the fuel supply to the injectors during start attempts. Fault trace to ensure power through schematics at the fuel pump.
3. Secondary voltage output of the ignition coils, this can be done with the coils in-place with a specialized diagnostic tool such as this DIY quality one:

https://www.amazon.com/wonofa-Ignition- ... 4737768123

4. If there is no power out the secondary output of the coils, fault trace to ensure primary power through schematics and/or noid lights.
5. If no power exists at the fuel pump AND the ignition coils then it could be PCM is prohibiting their activation. Which points to PATS issues such as bad key or module.
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Re: 2006 freestyle with 87000 miles, WONT START

Post by 1tracyd » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:55 am

I have tried both of my keys and had 2 diagnostics on it, the other day when it was towed it rained all day that day and wouldnt start. Could rain be getting in somewhere possibly. Gettin a new fuel pump and filter tomorrow. I dont think its anti theft BUT i could be wrong

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Re: 2006 freestyle with 87000 miles, WONT START

Post by 1tracyd » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:26 pm

Well... Got the fuel pump and guess what... Aparently i need an alternator now!!!

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